The evolution of Ludwig hardware is a detailed and multi-faceted story. For this reason and the aforementioned trend of ating vintage drums, hardware will not be covered in this guide. Date stamps are simultaneously the best and worst means to properly date a Ludwig drum from the '60s use of the date stamp was discontinued ca. A drum was stamped when the shell was finished, providing the most accurate depiction of the age of wood due to the fact final assembly came later. The difficulty in date stamps is, more often than not, that the stamp has been rendered illegible or removed completely due to the wear and tear of the years. Aside from the exact date printed on the shell, the color of ink used will assist in identifying the era of the drum and indicate the possibility of forgery. From the inception of date-stamping in through , Ludwig solely used red ink.
The reasoning for our optimism was that since the serial numbers were imprinted on the badges in a sequential order of lower to higher numbers and since the badges were installed over a duration of time as represented by the date stamps inside of the shells, a direct relationship between the serial numbers and date stamps was inevitable, even though the Ludwig factory did not intend it.
Vintage Ludwig "Club Date" Drum Set
As our record keeping continued and more serial numbers and dates were added to the index, the correlation between them became increasingly evident. The serial numbers increased as their corresponding date stamps moved forward in time. We decided to exchange and compare indexes.
BADGES/DATING HISTORICAL BACKGROUND VIDEOS MY RESTORATIONS THAT'S INTERESTING BLOG ARTICLES BY NICK WHITE RECOMMENDED SITES ABOUT ME & CONTACT Ludwig & Ludwig golden water decal (circa ) Ludwig & Ludwig oval stamp (circa ) Leedy Indianapolis oval stamp (circa ) Nokes & Nicolai badges . These overlapping events would intertwine to have a direct effect on the collecting and dating of 's Ludwig drums. Prompted by the insurance industry, the new regulation mandated serial numbers on certain goods including drums. (badge photo here) "Up until then," said Mr. Ludwig, "some of our drums were date stamped and some weren. We have an extensive collection of Ludwig history; Ludwig Badges, Ludwig Serial Numbers, Ludwig Drum Set Catalog Scans, Ludwig Snare Drum Catalog Scans, Ludwig Jazzette History, Ludwig Standard History, Ludwig Acrolite History, Ludwig Black Beauty History, Ludwig Finishes, Ludwig Products and Ludwig Memorabilia dating back to the companies.
To our mutual relief, we found that the serial numbers and date stamps corresponded with one another and that the sequence of the serial numbers in both indexes followed the same general path through time. Click the product title or image.
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Other special features like badges, shell plys and the interior finish all help in giving you a date range of your drums manufacture.
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Connect Online! I would consider this the hardest to find badge since it was a peel and stick transition badge.
Here are links to the different Ludwig Drum Company History sections on this web site that will help you pin point the year and type of Ludwig drums you have. I would probably start in the * Ludwig Drum Set Catalog Pages and the * Ludwig Snare Drum Catalog Pages since these cover many years of Ludwig History. 9 rows XXX - XXX - Blue & Olive Badges. XXX - XXX. (Out . Jun 04, This new surge in Ludwig's production and sales coincided with a new government regulation enacted at about the same time (The regulation was brought to our attention by drum historian/insurance agent, Harry Cangany). These overlapping events would intertwine to have a direct effect on the collecting and dating of s Ludwig saporiviafrancigena.com: Ned Ingberman.
It was probably used just at the beginning of the war until the one below was put in production. I can't confirm the color on this one, but it is from the same era as the two before it.
It could just be a yellowed aluminum badge. The Ludwig Drum Company.
Ludwig badges are simple characteristic indicating which era a Ludwig drum could be placed. The 70's blue and olive badge started as rhombus shape with pointed non-continuous lower left and upper right corners. Ludwig drums could also be identified even further, than simply from the badge, into a specific time period of the 70's by the. May 21, Ludwig re-integrated the serial system in either or 72, but the leftover blanks were occasionally used throughout the '70s. Much debate exists on the "pointy" and "rounded" Blue & Olive badges. Pointy badges - those with a pointed edge - are typically associated with models from the earlier 'saporiviafrancigena.com: Matt Biancardi. This was from a Nickel Plated Ludwig & Ludwig Snare drum. (Photo courtesy Harold Lee Yen). (This badges was behind the strainer) Very early decal on a Ludwig & Ludwig Marching snare drum. The image shows the earliest of Ludwig Snare drums and the badge above. (Courtesy Adrian Kirchler) This is the Universal Model stamp on the rim 's.
These badges have been found on drums from the 's. There is no exact date of when they stopped and switched to the next badge - there are cross-over drums. These were on drum cases, and were never on drums.
Ludwig drums have a distinct advantage over Gretsch when it comes to establishing a relationship between serial number and date. Many Ludwig drums, including main line (Keystone and Blue/Olive Badges) and Standards, have dates stamped inside their shells or on paper labels.
Pre-serial Number Keystone Badge Early - Mid 60's Keystone Badge. The serial number guides do not work on these badges.
Not sure of the year, but I would guess close to the badge above it. This badge was on lower level vistalite shells and lower level drums. Supraphonics with this badge have shown up and they have been brass shells courtesy Classic Vintage Drums.
Started in and carried into the late 70's Blue and Olive Badge. Blue and Olive Cut Badge with rounded corners. This was on a Black Beauty Snare Drum from the late 70's.
Started using this late 70's due to complaintes from the pointy badges above getting caught on things and bending. An earlier pointy version.
No box around serial number. This was a transition badge and you will see it with and without a serial number it is prior to and during the move to Monroe.
This badge was covered by the hoop and normally is not cut on the top. It was on a snare drum.
Mid 's to present Ludwig Keystone Badge.