In terms of the distinction you make, I love it. In your experiences, how do you feel that your economic mindset and the principles of economics helped you navigate the whole online dating market? I think there are a few simple principles that economics would provide for you. What you want to do is think about whether you would rather be on Match. Find sites like Cupid or other large dating sites where the choices are going to be much greater. There are all these niche dating sites that fail the basic idea of having the thickest market possible. I think a lot of those smaller sites are doomed to fail.
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I will say that our listeners span all US cities, and we speak to all of those cities. Economics of Online Dating: Biggest Market The basic principle is to go to the biggest market as possible. Look for the largest school of Christians you can anywhere. Anyone who wants a serious relationship will be pushed away. About the Author: Jasbina Ahluwalia.
The uniqueness of Intersections Match comes from the life experiences of its Founder, Jasbina Ahluwalia. As a former practicing lawyer who also holds a graduate degree in philosophy, Jasbina can relate first-hand to the demands and challenges facing her accomplished clients. Article: Economics of Online Dating. Leave A Comment. Secrets for Men Secrets for Women. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.
But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing.
According to the Hinge analyst:. Tinder's Gini coefficient is 0. Another study, reported in Business Insiderfound a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.
If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women.
It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. There are no villains in this story. Nobody can or should be blamed for his or her honest preferences, and if women collectively believe that most men are unattractive, what grounds does anyone, male or female, have to argue with them?
We may pity the large majority of men who are regarded as unattractive and who have few or no romantic experiences while a small percentage of attractive men have many.
Just as much, consider that we live in a monogamous culture, and so the 20 percent of men who are regarded as attractive can only be in committed relationships with at most 20 percent of women. We may just as well pity the rest of the women, who are destined to be in committed relationships, if they pursue a relationship at all, with someone who they regard as unattractive.
The only villain in this story is nature, which has molded our preferences so that this tragic mismatch of attraction and availability occurs. To those who study nature, the various gender gaps in romantic life will not come as a surprise.
Evolutionary biologists have seen these types of patterns many times before and can explain each of them. The relative perceived attractiveness of younger women vs.
The libido gap can be explained by the different mating strategies instinctively pursued by the distinct sexes. As for the different Gini coefficients consistently reported for men and women, they are not consistent with a monogamous social structure in which most people can pair with someone of comparable perceived attractiveness. However, this is not surprising: monogamy is rare in nature. Again, this will not come as a surprise to scientists.
The evolutionary biologist David P. There are many animals of all kinds that practice polygyny in one form or another, including many of our primate relatives like gorillas and lemurs. For animals, social structures are not an object of reflection or systematic attempted reform-they just do what their instincts and upbringing dictate.
We light fires for warmth, build air conditioners for cooling, invent soap and plumbing and antibiotics and trains and radios in an effort to conquer the constraints of nature. Technology has not enabled us to escape the brutal social inequalities dictated by our animal natures. The marriages that we read about in historical accounts that are based on prudence and family arrangement make more sense when we realize that basing marriage on mutual attraction leads so many-both men and women-to be unsatisfied with the outcome, since most women find most men unattractive.
The differing Gini coefficients faced by men and women guarantee that this will be a common-or even the most common-romantic pairing in a monogamous culture. In these fairy tales depending on which version you rea the beautiful woman first accepts or even loves the hideous man.
The sincere love of a woman transforms the unattractive man into something better: more handsome, richer, and royal. Allegorically, these stories are trying to show men and women a way to relate one-on-one even though most women find most men unattractive; they are trying to show that sincerely offered love, and love based on something other than sexual attraction, can transmute ugliness to beauty and make even a relationship with unmatching attractiveness levels successful.
As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying.
Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism sexual or otherwise. Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
As always, the way forward will be difficult. It may be impossible to revive the religions, behaviors, institutions, and norms that have recently governed the world of love and sex but are in retreat around the world.
The future of Western civilization may need brave new institutions and brave new ways for men and women to fruitfully relate to each other.
Whatever rules govern the future of dating and sex, they should find a way to deal with the polygynous instincts that our species has historically possessed and that show up in the present day in the statistics of our dating apps, or else be willing to accept the risk of sexual conflict and war that have historically accompanied high inequality.
Feb 10, Online dating changes lives - and the economy More New York (AFP) - Online dating is not only transforming the way people hook up, it is changing the way single people spend their money and shaping the nature of household spending, according to one investor taking an interest in the emerging saporiviafrancigena.com: Juliette MICHEL. The UK bank found that dating apps contribute ? billion to the UK economy every year, more than two thirds of the ? billion that's spent on dates saporiviafrancigena.com: Business Insider UK. Mar 12, Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy. written by Bradford Tuckfield. Jesus said that the poor would always be with us. Despite the best efforts of philanthropists and redistributionists over the last two millennia, he has been right so far. Every nation in the world has poor and rich, separated by birth and luck and choice.
Technologies and institutions and even religions come and go, but the evidence indicates that sexiness inequality is here to stay and that we will ignore it only at our peril. Bradford Tuckfield is a data scientist in New York.
Marriage is a Communist Conspiracy! An interesting take on Evolutionary Psychology drivers manifesting themselves on swipe-dating apps. Some things to consider; 1 While the apps are producing data to support such hypotheses, I would imagine that those individuals with less sexual capital are more able than ever to access sex through these apps. The sheer volume of users far exceeds those available for pairing in our immediate communities of the past.
Should the rise of divorce and offsetting of marriage continue to be fuelled by feminism and young women rightly exercising their independence, a depreciation of their sexual capital may lead to a deceleration of these trends. How to best reconcile or balance this simple equation?
Give people more freedom, they exercise choice more in-line with their evolutionary drivers - social equality enables natural inequality. Natural inequality leads to violence. Polygamist societies are more prone to violence and political instability unless they are tightly controlled through authoritarian measures. Monogamy was a great invention for human society as it greatly reduced violence and served as a civilizing force for otherwise aggressive young man.
Women may judge men on dating apps based on picture alone which is all they have available to go on but in the real world women judge based on a variety of factors with the ability to provide wealth resources a primary factor I suspect other factors such attractiveness personality, etc are simply used by females as predictors for resource provision. Plenty of ugly guys with fat wallets have pretty women hanging off their arms. Young men in inner cities engage in black market activities steeped in violence in pursuit of wealth and status in the hopes of attracting the most desirable females.
Feminism has been great for women from an economic perspective though it appears to have brought about our old polygamous drives which may ultimately lead to political chaos. I would argue most men will be losers in most societies, really. If I recall correctly, most studies find fewer men reproduce than women, some moderately sosome very high While some men do indeed win big, many men can expect a life of not winning well at all.
Guys, in evolutionary terms, do not win as much as women do. But we should recognise that guys do not have it easy, at least not the way feminists portray it, and in the grand scheme of things, far more men than women will ultimately fail. I agree. My gut tells me to do everything I can to help them become strong, confident men willing to love and protect a woman.
I was taught by my mom of multiple divorces to not need a man, but I knew this was wrong. I hope more women wake up and learn to appreciate and support men to be the providers and protectors of their family. Dana It is refreshing to read this. Not necessarily. Thank you. We have two competing stories running through both liberal and conservative media outlets. Where every single woman has no choice but to have anonymous sex with every raging incel she meets on dating apps, for some reason.
The other they rarely like to talk about, but occasionally are forced to acknowledge, that sex is actually in decline, in the west and even more so in the east. When women were relatively scarce in the sthey could set the terms of relationships, and there tended to be less casual sex. Now that men are relatively scarce, men set the terms, and there tends to be more casual sex.
I find it ironic that of all things, evolutionary biology is reinforcing many ancient religious teachings. I think religions can be thought of as undergoing their own evolutionary process. Ideas that helped communities succeed would propagate and replace ideas that were less effective.
What a terrific article. This is something I half-knew but having it laid out so well has made the whole thing very clear in my mind. Quillette is becoming my go-to site. Nonetheless our hard won success has a society has started to crumble as a direct result of unleashed female hypergamy i.
This with the aid of law and media. Suffice it to say many men these days care less and less about the health and happiness of women. Men have an out-group preference for women, yet female behavior has been so bad lately we are on the verge of it evolving away. We are busy looking out for themselves instead.
Many of us are high-achievers. I find here at Quillette you can often see Rollo an Co. That having been said the readership here is likely to be amenable to half the teachings. To follow up on what Yeah says, those men who are awake to the real unvarnished nature of women are currently shooting fish in barrels when it comes to enjoying the company of ladies.
You can rail on all you want about higher callings, logical deduction etc. It has precious little to do with stacks of cash, it has everything to do with social dominance. The crowd sourcing of infield testing of sociological theories in this domain has produced masses of data and helped to evolve hypotheses into well working models of human behavior.
With a high degree of repeatability men can game the systems designed to keep them in check. Praxeology for the win.
Women made a bargain with men a very long time ago. This was a great deal for them, men who committed became invested in their own families, and the subsequent collective alignment across many cultures became civilization.
With women now shunning that deal infavor of the pursuit of their hypergamy, or society and civilization will rapidly deteriorate. They are going to cheer as it burns down.
The article is excellent, though I wonder whether users of swipe-dating apps are representative of the population of interest in this case, the population as a whole. My reaction as well. Unlikely that regular app user behavior matches that of people who do not use apps. It was considered extremely risky and desperate! But whatever. My understanding is that there is a protocol for internet saporiviafrancigena.coms.
Personally, I swipe on a much narrower group of men than I would actually be happy to talk to if introduced in real life. I agree with you, Lauren. Looks are important, but there are other factors that make a man attractive. I think many women would agree that a funny man who can make them laugh compensates for a lack of a six pack or thinning hair. I pity the real-life man who believes a woman genuinely values him as she flips him into oblivion browsing the pages of tinder.
Yep, that was my first thought. There is so much that women find attractive about men that is simply not conveyed in a picture.
I thought the same thing. The people who have no issue finding partners are not the ones using these apps. The article also fails to mention the role that social status plays in female desire for males. The women want the men at the top of the social hierarchy since they possess the most resources. My point, though, is that one cannot and I mean cannot generalize to a population based on a convenience sample. There are many many ways to do social science wrong, and that one is near the top of the list.
What attracts women is status and dominant personality. Most important is status. A woman will put aside a LOT for a man with status. Look at Lyle Lovett. Explain to me you idiot how women can learn someones personality based off a few pictures from tinder? There was a study that proved more attractive people are assumed to be more intelligent, funny and kinder. When looking to have an affair, physical attractiveness is much more important; when looking for a husband, status meaning wealth or power in our society is much more important.
The best of both worlds is to have a physically attractive child from an affair, while being supported by a reliable, high-status husband. That goes for men too there are the women we want to have fun with and the women we want to build a family with.
An article of two halves. Firstly, that of the inequities in sexual attraction. Much to commend here, but with one big omission. The discussion is based around physical attractiveness. Women might discount physical attractiveness relative to other qualities. We could introduce cts of character, and of station. Women might value stability, kindness, attitude, as well as wealth and status in a potential partner.
The second part of the article is just a contrived, contorted, grasping justification for a conservative and particularly religious philosophy. The disjoint is obvious, and devoid of argument. I should have said and article in 3 parts.
The middle part being another good discussion, around monogamy vs polygamy - a real problem and tension in humanity.
The solution is not regressive enforcement via institutional e. That way lies, as is implied in part of the article, enforced loveless situations when mutual interest is long dead and replaced with life-destroying antipathy and antagonism. Death takes a long time these days. It seems to me these young women are being extremely childish. A relationship solely based on sexual attraction would be just as bad as one with no sexual attraction. An intelligent person would want to pair with someone who will still love them when they are sick, someone who will be a good parent, who will be beside them in times of sadness.
Somebody whose company you enjoy. To choose based on a photograph is juvenile, and as such should be restricted to protect those too immature to make decisions for themselves. A great point about the cts of men not captured by a profile pic that often seem to be the qualities by which most attract mates. Another phenomena unexplained by this article is that men whom face such a large physical inequality do not try to compete via beautification as women do.
This is not a merely western phenomenon; women taking lengths to increase their perceived physical attractiveness is essentially universal. On your second point Aylwin, I think you have quite neglected to consider the evolutionary history of religious philosophy. If religion were mal-adaptive, why did religious philosophies play the singularly largest role in governing human interactions in all societies for all time until the very recent past?
There has never been a contacted primitive tribe that did not posess what we would immediately recognize as religion. This hedge against overly rapid change is of course, by nature, conservative. Beware of romanticizing things.
As women get older they value these things more. I think that was the point-without any other knowledge of the person-women go solely for looks period. Likely there thousands of data points as well to back this up-those apps have millions of people on them. Men who are not male models, movie stars, etc, have known this forever.
Maybe, but attractiveness is not a static thing. Seems like kind kind of a loser thing to do. There are guys out there who are really unfortunate, truly screwed, and there are those born with a silver spoon.
Then there the vast majority of us who fall somewhere in the middle, we have something to work with, and in these times of toxic femininity more than we give ourselves credit for.
What these groups do, INCEL, the intersectional coalition, is offer victim status and the blame of others. The incels that people are aware of are fucking losers though, and the word has shifted to refer only to those people. These are the fucking losers. As with most things, because they are the most vocal, they will garner the most attention. I feel for the real incels, because they experience the issues this article describes to the Nth degree. My theory is the irrational hatred for incels by progressives is due to the fact that incels pose a serious problem to the progressive infatuation with equality.
If the goal is equality, if the arc of history bends towards justice, then something has to be done to ensure incels have equitable access to sex.
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To argue otherwise is non-progressive on its face. Not completely true- the small group of people openly promoting the legalization of sex work are almost universally progressive. Everyone who talks about incels and susch like seems to be working on the premise that all women are wonderfully attractive and are therefore rejecting ugly men. The thruth is that there are just as many unaattractive women as men.
They can pair off with each other. These incel losers seem to reject that idea and believe that beautiful women should be theirs by right. Ugly women still have a much higher sexual market value than ugly men. There is no pairing off to be had.
No, the article explains how there are far more unattractive men than women. Under the old system of strictly enforced lifelong monogamy, a 50th-percentile woman had to marry a 50th-percentile man or check into a nunnery and die a virgin.
Contra Marx, sexual inequality is far worse than economic inequality. Further - the sexual marketplace differs from the economic marketplace in one important way - in a free, capitalistic economic marketplace, economic growth is an inevitable result, causing prosperity and wealth creation to spill over for great masses of individuals lower on the economic competence totem pole, if you will.
This ct of women is not captured by the apps. If there is an issue it is that the state has to a large extent taken over the providing and protection responsibilities of men undermining the ability of poorer men to be attractive and maintain a long term relationship.
Otherwise there would be no definition for the physical in the case of women to men and no definition of devotion or romance in the case of men to women. Devotion and romance is a strong third ingredient where both meet. This is a fantasy you have about evolutionary pyschology. Women will fuck me at risk to their entire life. Good points Aylwin. Before we start waxing all nostalgic for traditional monogamy, we should at least acknowledge that marriage was not always a fairy tale for women.
There were typically other ways of dealing with the problem of polygyny. As the author points out, traditional societies often saw women as resources to be distributed, and who were then considered property possessed by their husbands without any rights of their own.
Agreed with Aylwin. We have to acknowledge that data from hook-up apps will necessarily be limited and skewed. Swipes are cheap - free in fact. That said, I met my wife on Tinder. You have earned starting a conversation with the other person. It is something that can be easily given and removed but it is not nothing. A better real world example would be marriage data and income. Working class men have been dealt a major blow from the decline of the manufacturing industry with many seeing their income drop whereas working class women have seen some gains as the economy tends to favor the jobs they prefer to fulfill such as health care or service industry.
In other words when men are not able to make income that exceeds that of their partners the marriage rate falls. So in essence a real world example similiar to what occurs on dating apps. Johnny Marriage rates might fall but reproduction does not. The assumption that it must be just the men who are lacking, is an assumption only. The women are probably just as unmarriagable. Birth rates in all 1st world countries have also dramatically decreased. It is true that the lowest income levels do reproduce at the highest rates and the fact that they also tend to be out of wedlock also tends to support your hypothesis, however, if we take into account that welfare and food stamps etc have greatly reduced the hardships once associated with single motherhood, there may actually be a benefit for this class not to marry.
So reproduction may be their only criteria.
In the middle class and upper classes though, birth rates are down dramatically. I met your wife on tinder too. Not my type but good enough for a roll. Glad she worked out for ya. Tinder swipes are cheap but thats part of the draw as well; a simplistic measure of sexual desireability.
The full measure of female to male attraction is, of course, more complex, contextual, and circumstantial. But if a big chunk of the moden sexual market is funneling thru apps like tinder, then the implications carry more weight than a mere swipe.
Eg if the gateway to complex attraction is constrained by a culture that favors behavioral and psychological reinforcement of simplistic superficial physical only attraction then all those nice guys will just have to wait. Hence poly. Hence delayed marriage, delayed and more costly family formation, and the destabilizing affects of prolonged sexual activity with mates that are not assortively matched.
We could conclude that looks are less important to women, thus you must be exceptionally good-looking to catch their eye. In other words, either become rich or develop the ability to make them laugh. I suggest the second option, as it is not something you can lose. Eurocrat I have to agree. This article is fantastic. Like the best Quillette articles, it addresses an extremely important yet overlooked social phenomenon, and does so with elegance and brute honesty.
I especially appreciate the implications of moral hypocrisy on the contemporary left, and with regard to feminism in particular. My experience in the contemporary dating market suggests a significant degree of cognitive dissonance on the part of women with respect to their biologically-endowed and competing sexual objectives: a man who possesses high mating value, and a man who is faithful, loyal, and monogamous.
Yet the sorts of men who might fulfill this role are rejected wholesale because they do not present a high enough sexual value-not handsome enough, tall enough, or successful enough.
It is the present-day sexual marketplace produces this result, rather than the women themselves. Halfway down the sexual hierarchy the rewards more or less flatline. Even high value men might prefer to exclusively date a partner with commensurate value, if only for logistical reasons, not to mention the emotional rewards. But sadly, chasing after such a woman is simply not an optimal strategy, nor is pledging monogamous fealty to a woman of lower sexual mating value optimal, when one can have several.
Men, no less than women, are inclined to optimize their sexual strategy. The problem with the strategies you suggest is that they are mistaking two marketplaces for one.
I think your female friends may be making a similar mistake. The sexual marketplace is about who you want to bone. If you want to have casual sex with attractive people, then it makes sense to make yourself attractive so that they will reciprocate. And it might sometimes make sense to avoid sex with a moderately attractive person if you think that you might be able to find a very attractive person with a bit more work. The dating marketplace is not about who you want to bone.
It is about who you want to share your time, and possibly your whole life with. It is about finding your best friend. Sexual attractive plays some part in it, but not a terribly large one. The same is not true for dating. What personalities are compatible is highly subjective and varies from person to person. There are a few near universal standards of date-ability i. If the women you know are attempting to find date-able men using the partner selection standards of the sexual marketplace, they are likely to fail.
They are different standards for different roles. There is no guarantee a man who meets one will meet the other. It might be helpful if you reframe your advice to them, however. Presumably the women who pursue men who are more attractive than themselves out of their league, as we say are still deeply disappointed to find themselves treated as a throwaway item, or bit on the side.
There are women who are content, even happy, to partake in less formalised occasional relationships that will lead to nothing enduring, for example friends with benefits and simple hook ups. Some of these women are already in formal partnerships with other men. Of course it would be. I have no objection to people doing such things provided they are forthright and both have accepted it.
Ah, the ultimate male crime, to the feminists. Can you understand why a man may dangle the prospect of a long-term monogamous relationship, when he really has no intention of one? A healthy, average to above average man, infused with the testosterone that God have him, even one who applies and improves himself, who seeks a sex life, has unappetizing options available. He can deceitfully purport to desire a monogamous long-term relationship so as to get sex from women he is attracted to.
He can honestly communicate that he has no desire for a monogamous long-term relationship and pursue casual relationships. Average women will have no interest in this with him, as they can easily have casual sexual relationships with top-tier men. If he does this, he will only be able to have sex with obese women. In casual relationships, women mate upward, and men downward in attractiveness hierarchies.
He can get sex through entering into a monogamous long-term relationship. He can pay for it.
Easy, she did not throw herself away, she was raped. And, since hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, once she has been thrown away, her knives come out. Cue Colttaine. There are many advantages to being an older man, because sex drive is lower and there are more available women. Young women look to the dominant males in music and movies, the pagan attraction to the prince and the bad boy. Young women are highly valued, older women not so much, by men, because men first see just the physical attractiveness.
I envied those guys who seemed to know girls without effort, like my cousins. I thought I was undesirable, years later found out that many girls actually liked me, but thought I was a snob. Women look at financial status and personality, and confidence. Walk with confidence, and a good sense of humor. Women are fiercely competitive when it comes to attracting suitable partners. Place this guy in front of cameras or feature him in glossy magazines: women will fight over him.
Do not generalize from data taken in the United States. They are also quite unfeminine if you want to convince yourself of this, by comparison, take a stroll down any street in Warsaw of Moscow or any city in that part of the world where rabid feminism has not yet taken hold.
Moreover, women there still do want to get married.
Men in the US and UK are perhaps the unluckiest of all. Feminism has made women uglier, and both men and women more miserable. Feminine women are boring, for the obvious reason that they have less in common with men. This means there is less they will want to talk about and less they will want to do together. I am often astonished when I watch movies and TV shows set in the Fifties, because at parties husbands and wives split up into different conversation groups!
The wives all talk to each other in one room, and the husbands all talk in another! Why are they married if they have so little in common that they need to split up to find good conversation? At all the gatherings I attend the men and women all talk together. Encouraging men to be less masculine and women to be less feminine means that they have more to talk about with each other.
They have more hobbies and activities in common. Do you really want to have to wait forever for a woman to put on makeup every time you go out? Men in the Fifties must have been bored out of their skulls! Having a wife and kids is many times better than the single life for most men and women who are not at the top of the SMV marketplace.
Hence the reason monogamous societies and cultures have prospered while polygnous societies are in constant strife and cousin marriage ie inbreeding is common and encouraged. You are absolutely right that having a wife and kids is better than the single life for most people. One of the main reasons for this is the destruction of traditional gender roles by feminism.
In the past, it was considered unwomanly for women to have the same interests as men, and unmanly for men to show interest in feminine things. That meant that men and women had very little in common and limited the activities they could do together. Not a recipe for a good marriage. Feminism fixed this by expanding what it was socially acceptable for men and women to be interested in.
Another way feminism has improved marriage is that it allows women to seek status for themselves through work and other means. Previously, the only way for a woman to have high status was to be married to a high-status husband. This created an incentive for women to nag their husbands to seek status more than the husbands often really wanted to. Sexual attractiveness and marriageability are not the same thing at all.
There are lots of people who would enjoy having sex with each other, but would hate living together for years. The only women who want to do so are the tiny minority who in this day and age still have the courage to call themselves feminists. Another lie which Hollywood gave us. Ghatanathoa I really do love feminine women. Actually there is a villain in this story and it is woman, at least according to social constructionists.
If there are no sex related differences women are rejecting men out of selfishness. In other words are they overestimating their own relative attractiveness. Or do they think he will see something in them that others have failed to see a standard chick lit theme. I suspect that if told that their husband was as good as they could expect to get given their own level of attractiveness, some women would feel profoundly insulted. Let alone being told they were lucky to have him!
For men the strategy is elementary: impregnate as many women as you can, attractive, but also less attractive. A successful reproductive strategy must go beyond the first generation. To name a few examples: Does he like cats, dogs, or rabbits? What are his tastes in music and movies? How many kids does he want? What kind of food does he like? Will he run a 5k with me? Does he like to travel on vacation or relax at home? What is his philosophy of life? None of the answers to these questions are anywhere near universal.
Some women would love it if a man wanted to run a 5k with them, other women would be angry if a man wanted her to run a 5k with him. Some women like horror movies, some like action, some like comedy. Women vary in their philosophy of life. What an awesome article in the age of politically correct fake settled science. In several landmark studies, it has been found that among married couples the physical attractiveness of the genders is highly correlated.
Thus, the trophy wife of a rich homely guy is not very common. This means that women prize good looks just like men. Perhaps the reasons are different but the outcome is the same. The modern progressive movement has become far more puritanical than most religions with even an end of the world belief in climate apocalypse.
Secularists could learn a great deal from old fashioned religious rules in how to make a just and stable society. Immediate gratification versus long term security is what separates socially sentient primates from the insentient. That might suggest an explanation for the longstanding popularity of monogamy and marriage based on pair bonding and arranged marriages.
Men are much more visual and less interested in character at least as far as being initially attracted. As far as incels go, my theory is that they lack the confidence and boldness that women are attracted to. The are often shy and insecure. In my life I have seen men who are often not that good looking or wealthy sleep with many women. These guys are confident and cocky. It also seems that the worse they treat women the more women are interested in them.
When a woman says she wants a nice man, what she means is she wants an attractive man who treats her nicely. As someone pointed out, the readers and commentators should be made aware that the situation described in this article is very particular to the Anglo countries.
In starkest difference with central and eastern European countries, where the sight of an average-looking man with a beautiful woman is not at all uncommon.
Even in the cases which by no means are the norm, as some cynics would point out where she is with him for the money, he is still better off than men in Anglo countries, where they need both money and great looks to get a higher-than-average looking woman. From these it follows that 1. Young adulthood is a sexual golden age for most women, as men will find all but a few young women attractive. Young adulthood will be sexually frustrating for many men, as sexual competition for women near their own age will be at its most intense.
For most men, sexual competition will lessen as they age. Especially if they have more e. Enforced monogamy social pressure against promiscuity plus laws making divorce difficult produces something of a tradeoff. Women typically marry near the peak of their attractiveness: never again will they be able to attract so many high-attractiveness men.
Yet over time her attractiveness will fade much faster than his. But, despite her fading attractiveness, the high cost of divorce will discourage him from dumping her. With the decline of monogamy, life becomes particularly sweet for men in the top decile of attractiveness.
Yet for men will below that standard, their attractiveness will rise relative to women near their own age. Whereas for most women sexual life will become more of a challenge. Thus, although it may seem that women get the better deal under declining monogamy, a life in which expectations rise with age seems easier to navigate than one in which they inexorably fall. Women know that is, many women that they can go to the corner bar and get laid any night of the week. They can have sex with their fellow students, fellow workers, guys in line at the grocery store, delivery and repair guys, you name it.
This means that they can afford to be choosey. Because they have the pussy, and we want it. However, when the sex-bots get good if will be fun to watch these same women lose their shit and they become obsolete. This does not match my understanding of how things work. The only ethical way of handling this is to make chemical castration widely available and attractive to men. It will probably reduce crime as well. It needs to be compelled materially as well. This has been accomplished previously by giving them control over resources, defending their rights to those resources from better men, and limiting the access women have to resources of their own.
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Although, I think that if we could work out a way to make men gay, it would be ideal. The currency in play is desire. Blue: In my experience, crushing alimony solves the problem perfectly. Now, if we could only find a way to extract it before marriage.
They wanted to design people too. And of course, the only reason you come up with this horrifying idea is because you hate men to begin with. I fail to see how this differs from the treatment of mental illness, which is conceptualized as a social problem before it is ever established as a medical one.
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That way expanding genetic diversity, which is for all we know so far desirable as the more diverse offspring has a better chance for an improved immunity system and therefore survival. Feminists are for free-birth control, free abortion, promoting homosexuality, experimenting with different poly-amorous relationships, etc. Blue haired savant. This is a short game feminists are playing that will ultimately win over them in the long run.
Men are adapt to being alone. Before trying something as drastic as castration, it might be worth trying some kind of biological tweak to make women orgasm during sex as easily as men do.
Encouraging androgynous behavior seems like the best way to supply more of that. If men and women are more similar to each other they will have more in common, and therefore be more compatible in long term relationships.
That might be the way forward to get a power balance between the sexes. This means learn from the experts, the lesbians. That is where the punctum saliens is. Conceiving of it a medical problem like ADHD or restless leg syndrome, and prescribing a treatment that alleviates the personal and social suffering it causes.
We could re-engineer women to make them nymphomaniac and attracted to every male.
Are women perhaps rating the men as technically unattractive but partnering with them anyway? After all, if Bill Gates and Donald Trump can find someone how important can physical attractiveness be? Modest economic capital used to translate to sexual capital although not sexual desire because women had limited access to economic capital. Truly silly statement.
Women seek provider men cuz they will stick around and raise children with them. I know, in your feminist world, fathers are irrelevant. Among many traits, personal power has a very important role in male attractiveness. A normal woman is aroused by a global perception of the individual, and power is a major player in this global picture.
So, this woman definitely can be attracted and aroused by a powerful man even if his physical ct in itself is unattractive to her. He makes me tingle like never before, he makes handsomeness seems drab and boring.
Perception is a complex process linked to construction of meaning. I wanted to add to this the usual trapping of what it means to be masculine vs. Overall, beauty is not considered a masculine trait. Women, even the most average-looking ones, transform easily via make up and flattering clothing and thus can move upwards on the attractivity scale.
Unfortunately, it is or at least has been for centuries a predominant social law to claim that a man who cares about his appearance is shallow or vain. Or, absurdly, too feminine. Why not acknowledge that instead of digging in the far-reaching reasons of how most males are left at the curb? It is a very one-sided discussion if we do not address the fact that in Western society male beauty especially looking for ways to enhance it if the natural one is lacking is deemed largely inappropriate.
Female beauty, therefore, is a good worth investing in and pursuing. Male beauty is not. But what other good can a dating App offer, really?
It is visual, and there is little to no way to find out if a male is funny, smart or responsible. So I would suggest to either not use dating Apps for making such large claims about society, or to adjust for the negative trait - in fact, a sin - of a male enhancing his own natural beauty that had been nested in Western civilization for millennia.
Take a look at Middle Eastern men, or East Asians, for example.
The majority of them do not mind make up, and yes, kohl eyes make quite a lot of otherwise average-looking men in the Middle East much more attractive even though some of their behaviors might be a turn off.
Here, I am talking about the strictly visual experience of perceiving male beauty. But when a Western man tries to highlight his eyes with make up, what demeaning names does he get called? There are entire industries in East Asia built on the beauty of males and how to properly use and enhance it. Ask yourselves about why most women in the world find K-pop guys so irresistible. Is it because of their superior genes and better facial structures?
No, far from that. Most of it is style, dress, diet, hairstyling and yes, make up. Because of that, the sheer sex appeal of Western males is a less obvious good than their status or personality traits. But status and personality take time to unveil, and most dating Apps allow us, women, to finally discriminate based solely on appearance. Because why not? After all, this is a dogma of female competition in the arena of sex appeal.
Women do not put on make up to attract men. We do it to compete with other women, some of whom might have vastly superior genes and natural resources than others. Does that stop the rest of women from daring and trying to compete? And whining about the unfairness of nature afterwards? No - it forces women to be cunning and very proficient in manipulating our appearances. Such a dated perception has nothing to do with biology - only with social customs that have far outlived their utility.
In fact, biology would advise men to adapt and evolve past that and expand their horizons on what male beauty is and can be, I think. And above all: if you use data from a visual-based ranking system where males obviously are lacking in performance and presentation skills, then please adjust the entire article to reflect that.
In era of Instagram and make-believe lifestyles, women want photogenic partners because such an accessory generates prestige for women among other women. Most males in the world could achieve that level easily if they only tried. Look at Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler, they are hardly good looking but many, many women throw themselves at those guys. Pretty much any guy in a successful band is a magnet to lots of women. Of course women do this for men.
Women are competing with other women for MEN. To be more attractive to men. This means the guys are sleeping with multiple women or if the men are faithful to one woman each, women are still single.
Women may want a photogenic guy but what are they going to do when all the Brad Pitts are taken? Look elsewhere or go single. Thank you for writing this. I wanted to add a lot about prestige of goods, about female hierarchy, and about attraction contrary to popularity into my original comment, but it was getting too long for me already and I was afraid my thoughts would end up being too scattered to actually offer a genuine different look that could matter to the article above. Essentially this is what my comment is to offer.
It is worth keeping and protecting only if it is desired by many. Well, women see beautiful men the same way. Yes, males want females for reproduction and females want males for the same general result. That my husband is hot, reflects well on me among other women, and vice versa for him. Opinions of the opposite sex are much less valuable, though.
They are easy to get. Forgive me my vulgarity, but I know I would find a male sexual partner pretty easily whenever I want solely on the fact that I have a vagina and I am fit and look healthy. What role does make up play in that?
When I put on make up to attract males, it looks wildly different from the make up I put on to impress women. Do guys really find my blue or chartreuse nails or bold oxblood or, god forbid, black lips very attractive? Does it help with marketing my reproductory value?
Not at all. But women in my circles like it, and I put on such make up solely for them. After all, only women compliment my make up my skillmy choice of nail polish my tasteor my clothes my status and proficiency in fashion industry. I have my tasteful pink lipsticks, clear nail polish and my nigh-invisible mascaras for that purpose. They are dull as hell, sorry. Likewise with fashion. Most women behave this way.
We know when we are visual goods to be looked at, and we know when we are our own agents and need to instead flaunt our independence from male gaze. Please do not tell me you understand how we work better than we do.
There are at least two modes of our social performance, not one. Alas, that is also true. Insert here the difference in male and female libido and all societal myths associated with that. It puts our entire system of beliefs about who we are, in question. Although, most of the time such a claim is an act and is false. And that is much more dangerous to women than the dislike of men.
A woman ostracised by her sex will not survive on her own - males will forget her once her beauty fades, is dealt with by jealous opponents, or once her reputation is ruined. When women want to destroy a woman, they will do it more efficiently than any man can. Regarding K-pop idols, I want to say that their popularity is a good, too, but it is not entirely correct to equivolate sheer and sometimes blind popularity with baseline sex appeal.
They are different goods. So do not compare K-pop idols to Jaegger or a Beattle, for example. Jaegger did not work for all women, and Beattles did not work for everyone as well.
But there are K-pop idols who are Jaeggers, there are Paul McCartneys, and there are countless of other styles and images present there. Now compare it to K-pop. They are pretty boys first, and only then a female listener tries to get into their music or lifestyle.
Post factum. If we are talking about the strictly visual experience, sorry - no one would swipe right on Jaegger based on his looks. No one, likewise, considers K-pop boys real icons of musical industry. They are eye candy. No amount or lack of popularity will stop women from feeling attracted to a hot guy. Say, you see a very hot woman in real life who is not a celebrity, and then see a much less hot woman on a movie poster.
You will be attracted to both for different reasons because they offer you different goods. And in fact, too much popularity in K-pop may even work against most of them. K-pop and J-pop idols change so often precisely because no one really likes to be attracted to the most popular ones.
In this, Jaegger and Beattles work against your argument because, again, they are iconic in more ways than visual, and they were also slim pickings in an otherwise empty supermarket.
Lastly, to talk about male make up and care. I know men take care of themselves, and I respect them for that. Clean, well-dressed man is a classic staple of female gaze, especially if he possesses a beautiful face. And what if he has to compete with other males who are just as clean, well-dressed and fit, but also have good facial structures he lacks?
And in an environment where he cannot prove how smart, kind, funny and wonderful he is deep inside? Like on a dating App? What then? No woman would ever say that. So do not say male care for their looks is nearly on the same level as female. Men are not eager to be the focus of unashamed female gaze. And the point is, unashamed female gaze does not even fully exist yet.
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We, women, have a lower libido than men. We usually take pride in being more cerebral when it comes to finding a sexual partner - even in modern times when we are very far away from choosing husbands based on their status.
So female gaze is a very discreet, finally-trying-to-grow thing, and industries like K-pop and some others only now begin to cater to it. It had worked for males for millennia except for some brief times during decadent eras.